for sending our troops in there in the first ace. w pee seless. this may explain why romney is in trouble, people think his party is out of it. joining me is howard fineman and joe klein of t times. let's take a look at the two polls. the two key states ohio and cog e in post," president obama has a four-point lead over mitt romney in florida. four points down there in a very tough state. 51%,/47% for obama. in ohio, the president's lead is a more comfortable eight points. that's at howard fineman, thank you for joining us, and joe klein of "time" magazine. thank you. it strikes me the numbers i put out tonight, and i'm going to ge all through them, shows a party obliterated to reality. she don't sm to watch t ghatenn w we no the h realized there was no weapons of mass destruction in iraq. that was the whole reality we lived in, the disillusionment on the right, the confusion in the middle, the anger on the left. they didn't even experience that period of time? >> well, chris, to put a charitably, i think the publican party today is the noalpa thas sense of it having kind of marinated in